Podcast Recording Session (Evan Owens)
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Evan Owens: there's a principle that we teach a lot, which is called like the first follower principle.
That the leader is overrated. That the leader is just a crazy person with an idea until they have a first follower. It's actually the first follower who requires the most courage. 'cause they're the ones who say, yeah, that person's idea isn't dumb.
Speaker: Hello builders, and welcome back to the Scaling Therapist podcast. I'm your host, James Marlin. before we get into today's conversation, I wanna invite you to grab my free Unpause playbook at coursecreationstudio.com/unpause.
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And that fits so well with today's conversation, because [00:01:00] my guest today is Evan Owens, co-founder and executive director of Reboot Recovery. It's a faith-based trauma response organization that has literally helped tens of thousands of people through pro- through programs in hundreds of locations around the world.
This episode is very uplifting, and in this episode, you'll hear how Evan and his wife started with just a small group in their living room, and they watched it grow beyond their living room into a movement. So we talk about movements, we talk about serving people in front of you, listening before building, finding your first follower, you, you will enjoy that part of the conversation, and knowing the difference between creating a resource and building a movement.
So grab your popcorn, get the Unpause playbook, and then listen in. I hope this is the nudge that helps you put your mission back in motion. Now to the show [00:02:00] Today it is my pleasure to ha introduce a special guest to you. It's Evan Owens. He's the co-founder and executive director of Reboot Recovery. It's a faith-based trauma response organization. Just a little bit about the organization, there's over 50,000 people.
James Marland: Over 50,000 people have completed the programs across. More than 425 locations worldwide. He's an author and a keynote speaker and it's just my pleasure to bring him on the show and talk about his journey from to make, to bring this into the world. Evan, welcome to the show.
Evan Owens: the show, man. I am so honored to be here and excited to share. I don't know how much wisdom, I think it's mainly just, you know, refusal to quit.
I'm too stubborn to give up at this point, but I I'll share any ideas and thoughts I have, so
James Marland: Yeah,
Evan Owens: me.
James Marland: well, you well, let's start a little bit at the beginning. 'cause most people don't start out
Evan Owens: with
James Marland: with like [00:03:00] 425 locations. You start with an idea, a dream, or a calling. So can you. Can you just bring us, like, can you take us to that moment when you were thinking like you had to do something more with what you had or you, did you start out as a therapist first?
Yeah. Just
Bring us to the beginning. Lay the foundation.
Evan Owens: like my top three or four most beautiful and impactful moments of my life, of course, my my day, I got married, the day I had a child maybe the day I was baptized. And then maybe number four on the list would be there was a day I came home from work in February, it would've been around 2010. And my wife was working as a doctor of occupational therapy for the military, for the DOD at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. And she had invited over some neighbors and some people who she had gotten to know through work because we were meeting with all these people individually for dinners and lunches and coffees, and hearing these.
Same stories. And she had this idea, why don't we just get everybody together? 'cause they're all saying the same things. And so I came home from work and I walked in late to my own dinner party, which is never a good thing with [00:04:00] your spouse. But luckily I came bearing snacks. So it was okay. And I came inside and, it was incredible. The, it was as if the room had already shifted from like small talk dinner banter to like this deep, meaningful conversations. And I was listening to these men and women talk about the deep traumas they'd experienced, whether it was severe loss or guilt, shame and regret or betrayal or senses of identity or whatever it was. And it was like healing, knocked on the door. in, sat down and began to do work among all of us, including myself and my wife. it was just this really profound moment where something special happened. And I went to work the next day and I said am I, at the time I was working for a technology company and called my wife at lunch and I said, I don't know what it is, but I wanna do more of whatever we did last night. And in a matter of pretty much a day. My appetite to, to pursue my other career and to build the company I was building was gone in almost a single [00:05:00] moment. And I knew that I wanted to spend more time helping people journey through how did they overcome trauma and embrace a brighter future. And so that's what we did.
And we met in our living room. You asked how long we met in our living room for. From 2011 2010, all the way to 2000 and 13, until we finally went on to a military base. I think in 20 12, 20 13, we got invited onto the military base and things began to really take shape at about that point.
James Marland: you had this experience, and you knew, you know, you knew you wanted to do more.
Evan Owens: Yeah.
James Marland: really interesting that you said the other goals, the other dreams faded away. They became not as attractive to you as this, you know, I want more of this, but a lot of the entrepreneurs, a lot of people start there and then we get
Evan Owens: get kind
James Marland: stuck.
I've been stuck, you
Evan Owens: yeah.
James Marland: in the mire and like getting distracted by things. How are you able to. Go. You had this dream, but
Evan Owens: but
James Marland: [00:06:00] what did you do? And maybe what were some of the mistakes you made along the way to get to, you know, where you could actually launch a product or start doing this as a job?
Evan Owens: Well, I think it sounds overly noble probably for me to say this, but it is true. I didn't really have a dream of starting a nonprofit. I
Of starting a ministry. I had a dream of serving the people who God put in my life
Well and loving them. Totally. And we had people living with us who were going through trauma.
We had, it was, we were all in, like, we were up to our eyeballs in people with trauma. And so I share all that to say that first off, we didn't start by having a goal of becoming some like influencer or celebrity or big entity. We started with saying, we want to care for the circle really well. Number two is that. When you sit across from people, you have people live with us and you're leading groups, and you do that for five and a half years. Jenny and I get way too much credit for how much of the initial content we came up with. [00:07:00] That really has I think what reboot has become in that really what we did was we became curators of what was working for other people.
Because you're spending thousands of hours hearing what's working and what's not for people. And then on top of that, you're spending a lot of time praying because you don't know the answers. You don't know what can help them. And I don't have a therapy background, and so I'm just this idiot who's asking really open-ended questions and listening and telling people I love them and that I don't judge them. That there's no right way to respond to the terrible thing that they've been going through. Like, that was the whole strategy for like five years. so how did I get there? I would say the first thing was that, the second thing was realize that I wasn't the like. I wasn't really the linchpin, it was these people who validated the idea of this group, meaning there's a principle that we teach a lot, which is called like the first follower principle.
That the leader is overrated. That the leader is just a crazy person with an idea until they have a first [00:08:00] follower. It's actually the first follower who requires the most courage. 'cause they're the ones who say, yeah, that person's idea isn't dumb. And if that first follower happens to be someone who's a person of influence, then it can really. Take off. And a person of influence doesn't mean of power. It means that God's given them a gift to be able to influence other people. And that was, we just kept getting those people man time after time. And that's how it started to grow was we kept getting follower first followers to the idea. Jenny and I kept being like, yeah if they validate it, then it must be true. And then they would tell their friends and bring their friends and then their friends would come and it just created this viral thing. And our superpower never was therapy. Our superpower was building community where people belong and that's what we're really good at. You
James Marland: You, you you hit on two. Things that I think
Evan Owens: think
James Marland: sometimes entrepreneurs skip over. One is caring for the people like you. You had a genuine interest in their outcome, like you cared for what was going on in their life.
Evan Owens: [00:09:00] like.
James Marland: And then the second thing was you took time to listen to what they were saying and figuring out what works.
Sometimes being the expert, you know, you just wanna share your solution, but you're not always listening to what the problem is or where they want to go. So you're trying to jam in your solution into what isn't working.
Evan Owens: Right.
James Marland: finally, I love that first follower concept. I don't know if you've ever seen the video on YouTube.
I'll put it in the show notes.
Evan Owens: Yeah.
James Marland: Yes. The dancer's on the hill.
Evan Owens: Yeah.
James Marland: I'm like,
Evan Owens: like,
James Marland: oh, that is so good. If you've never, listeners, if you've never seen that video, check the show notes and click it. It's just you could probably just YouTube it. I forget what it's called, like the, I think it was a TED Talk, right?
Evan Owens: Yeah, the First
James Marland: Yeah. First follower.
Evan Owens: Yeah. Follower.
James Marland: Where there's this guy dancing on a hill all by himself looking like a fool. And then
Evan Owens: and then
James Marland: seconds, 10 seconds into the video of this guy just dance by himself, somebody comes in and he shows them the moves, and now you have two [00:10:00] dancers. And then, you
Evan Owens: That's
James Marland: they keep doing it and they keep dancing and within 30 seconds, the entire hill is filled with silly dancers.
And I'm just like, but the first follower, like the guy took the time. He didn't like,
Evan Owens: like,
James Marland: you know, oh, maybe he was a better dancer than me, or, oh, he is not doing it right. And criticizing him, he just showed him how to do it. And I love that concept.
Evan Owens: and
Out there too about entrepreneurship that, 'cause I've had, you know, I've had four different kind of companies that I've. Started, I suppose some have failed epically and some have been successful.
But I say that to say that there was a data article that I, or Data point that I read in an article a while back that really resonated true to me, which was that, and I don't quote me on the data here, but the premise was that you had a 78% more likelihood of being successful with your new venture if you kept your old job. Then if you were like, I'm gonna be all in and I'm gonna quit this job and dive in head first. And what they [00:11:00] actually found is because when you dive in head first and you leave the security and the insurance policy of your existing job, what happens is your decisions become shortsighted because they become fear influenced.
So instead of being able to play a long game. And let the business naturally mature through the first three years, which are like a massive learning curve. What happens is you feel like I have to produce and I have to produce now. And so this starts to you over productize too early, you over price too soon, and you try to expand services beyond your first service even working well.
And I think for us, that was in hindsight a huge secret to our success. And I wish it was for noble reasons and I wish it was because I was really smart. But the truth is I was scared. I was scared to leave behind the dock that I was standing on in hopes that I would jump to the boat I wanted to be on 'cause I didn't wind end up in the water of drowning. And so for me I stood on the dock and I kept working my tail off working. You know, it was I call it entrepreneur by day, minister by night. Is really what I was. And I did that all the way [00:12:00] until eventually the boat crashed into my dock and I didn't have a dock to stand on anymore. And then I think that was when God's like, okay, it's fine.
It's time for you to step onto the boat. And we did, but it took us all the way until 2016. In hindsight, it was good for us. And I think it shaped our ability to scale what's become really bigger than a, than our group. It's become a movement, I think, of some sort. But I think it was because we didn't try to productize and company anise too quickly.
We just let it be a, you know, a movement. And the truth is, if you're trying to build a movement right now, my advice would be this. If you wanna sell a lot of resources and you want to be a best seller on the books list, or if you want to just move a lot of product, you don't really wanna build a movement, don't call yourself a movement builder.
Call yourself a resource ministry and focus on how do you sell product. if you want to build a movement. First ask who's already following you and identify why are they following you? What about your messages resonating with them? And then ask them for their advice of where do I find more of [00:13:00] them? You know, organization is where, you know, becoming an organization is where movements go to die. you see this with churches. They're booming, they're growing, and they say, okay, now we need to bring in this executive pastor who's a business guy. And then all of a sudden it. It loses its heart.
And you see this a lot with ministries too. They become so structured that they, everything becomes a predictable risk, right? All in the name of being vision, all in the name of strategy. But the truth is that movements are wild and they grow like wild flowers and they go places you didn't expect them to go.
And they're gonna take you deeper than you feel comfortable going because that's the nature of a movement. You're not driving it it's pulling you along. And that's what I would say. If you wanna build a movement, do that. If you just wanna sell resource, there's nothing wrong with selling resources, go and do that.
But I see a lot of people who are confusing the two, do they wanna build an organization which has tiered controls? Do they wanna build a movement or do they wanna build a resource ministry? And once you figure out those three, man, it's a lot clearer which thing you're building.
James Marland: It sounds like you've had to think long and hard about that, or at least [00:14:00] you
Evan Owens: I think about it all the time.
James Marland: yeah, like that was really profound. And like the when did you know that it was bigger than you? You know, when did you know that? There that, that
Evan Owens: yeah.
James Marland: are not in control anymore of what is going on.
Evan Owens: We went to Oklahoma City on a weekend trip. So what we would do is we would lead groups during the week weekend. Then the weekends we would drive to other cities and start groups in these other cities and do trainings. We called 'em leaders academies, and I remember we had sent the materials.
We had trained a group, and we were now coming back for our second visit to our third location, which was Oklahoma City. This would've been. 13, 14, somewhere in there. when I walked in and I heard them talk about their group and when I heard them describing some of the ways they were walking through the content, they were using words they'd never heard me say, they'd never read that.
I said, but it was the exact same words that Jenny and I and my team had been using in our own [00:15:00] local group. And I remember thinking, okay. This is striking a chord. And then I remember in 2016 when we released our very first curriculum ever we had maybe 11 locations when we released it. And I remember we had, this idea that there was a lot more Evan and Jennies out there, people who were workers for the harvest, people who wanted to do more than. Running a 5K or playing a charity golf tournament to help somebody. They actually wanted to get their hands dirty and help people, but they didn't have a way to do it. And I remember in the first six months, I think we jumped from 11 to like 46, 48 locations in a matter of six months. And I remember thinking, okay, this is special. And man, that was an exciting time. Terrifying. Totally scared outta my mind that I was gonna blow it. But really exciting.
James Marland: I, I have a couple logistical questions because how do you maintain high quality with such a big amount of growth? Because people do things different ways. [00:16:00] You know, they have the material, but they came, you're cut from a little different cloth. They're, they have their own experiences. They, their churches are different.
The organiza, you know, how do you help people and keep.
Keep the quality up. Whe when there's such a, like you can't plan for everything. So what do you do?
Evan Owens: We do. Well, two things. First off we were very fortunate. The first two audiences that we expanded to, we began serving only veterans and their families, military families.
Then in 2018, there was a mass shooting at a club in Orlando, Florida called the Pulse Nightclub that we were responded to, and we were able to start a group down the street from it. And I remember, with these two audiences thinking these are people who know how to follow standard operating procedures.
If you know, I'm not teaching them to be lay counselors, I'm not teaching them to be certified social workers. I'm teaching them to run a reboot program. And so that was the first thing is we worked really hard at creating robust training, but also really clear standard operating guidelines and procedures.
For, here's how reboot should look. And when [00:17:00] you walk into a reboot anywhere in the world, you're gonna see these same five to seven cultural identifiers that are gonna be the same, regardless if you're in a prison all the way to a military base, to an inner city shelter all the way over to like a country Baptist church.
You're gonna see certain things that you're gonna be like, man, this feels totally the same. So that was the first thing we focused on. Was that And because we had a chance to work with people who knew how to follow the rules, lemme tell you the hardest groups for us to expand. Still the ones that we love the most, but also the hard churches notoriously think they know how to do everything better.
Every church thinks they are the answer to the kingdom's problem. And that's beautiful and it's wonderful and I wanna equip these people. But I'd say that's the most unruly group that always wants. Say like, I know the curriculum says to do it this way, but let's insert this other element because we think that would make it better.
And we have a team of coaches and a training process and a vetting process where each month, about 200 to 250 people reach out saying they're interested in leading a group, but only 10 to 15 of those will actually meet our requirements and start a group. And of [00:18:00] those, if they're not following our SOPs, I would argue that they're gonna be, Either they're gonna end up birthing kind of something separate or they're going to struggle. And so that's what our coaches do. And so in the early days it was focusing on SOPs, and providing really good coaching and doing quality check-ins often with these groups. That was how it started.
James Marland: So is the coaching just like you, do you make them get the coaching? Do they buy the coaching? Is the coaching like a ministry and like P
Evan Owens: it works is they purchase an annual leader pass for $299 a year, and that certifies them and gives 'em access to all of our curriculum and our training and all of that in order for them to be able to facilitate one of our reboot programs.
And then after they have. Done that. They complete our Reboot Leaders Academy. They get ongoing coaching sessions with one of our staff members. We also add them to a group of of other leaders like them that are speaking into their situation. So you get a community support kind of a coalition of [00:19:00] leaders, so to speak. And then they start their first group. And I'll tell you the fastest way you're gonna know if they are gonna be successful or not. People typically you know, I think there's. You won't know based totally on the number of participants that start. You'll know based on the number of participants that finish. so people who are great at community building, who are great at empowering other people, who are great at seeing seeds of potential in individuals, that's who we look for. We don't necessarily look for people who are your best counselors because your best counselors should be doing and often cases, one-on-one counseling or should be running. Private practices because they have that credentialing and those skills. But this is something that we can offer a layer to the cake for everybody to facilitate a reboot program. And I believe that groups, that peer to peer is often more powerful than one-on-one or equally powerful.
Lemme say it like that, because you have the power of genuine empathy. the
James Marland: Yeah, I love groups.
I work our church runs re regeneration and reengage.
Evan Owens: Yeah. Yeah.
James Marland: And I'm a reengage [00:20:00] leader and
Evan Owens: Well,
James Marland: that,
Evan Owens: You're gonna be a reboot leader soon, but yeah.
James Marland: well, so the, that's leading me to my question, like, how do you.
Evan Owens: how do you
James Marland: how do these programs work? How does this work with other ministries? Because church is not huge, but it's like 2000, 2000 people.
So it's big and it has its own machinery, you know, and we know we're
Evan Owens: we're
James Marland: of, we're probably a little bit like, oh we know better type of thing. 'cause they have some successful ministries. So somebody wanted to start a, you know, a ministry for people who had gone through trauma 'cause.
Evan Owens: I I
James Marland: re regeneration.
Evan Owens: Yeah. I it and then I led a group, and then I worked with like, people coming in. Trauma is just hand in hand
Yes,
James Marland: with those that, so a group like this that's deals specifically with trauma
Is where would it fit and how would you
Evan Owens: you
James Marland: get it started?
Evan Owens: Yeah. The first thing I would say is it is going to be a program that [00:21:00] it is gonna operate at its best when it's when it's focused, not just as a program or as a additional small group for church members, but when it's also focused as a externally facing bridge. other programs that's
James Marland: I agree. Yeah.
Evan Owens: That's where a lot of church programs bluntly, they're just, what's the new flavor of the month for this trendy church program? And I love them and I'm a big fan of these programs, but their programs written for Christians by Christians exclusively with Christian language and assumptions that are not always true.
James Marland: Yes.
Evan Owens: when people come in that they don't know Jesus. we operate in a lot of fire halls and military bases and prisons that are secular environments because we're trying to change the way trauma is treated for the next generation to include peer and faith-based protocols. So if that's true, we have to speak the world's language while operating inside of a Kingdom vantage point.
And that's a delicate dance that we have to walk, but that's part of our calling, we feel like here at Reboot. And for our churches, that's the first place. Second place is. [00:22:00] Man reboot. We only do one thing. Peer led, faith-based trauma healing. We don't do all these other things that churches are so good at, right?
We don't do relationships. We don't do finance. We don't do substance abuse, we don't do marriage. We don't do, we don't do any of these other, you know, job training. We don't do that stuff. And so I would say that reboot's at its best also when it's. Coming alongside other ministries that are already cooking.
They've already we're the sweet potatoes. They've already got the main dish and some green beans going. We just come in with like our part of the dish. And so that's the first thing I would say. The second
James Marland: Some people are looking for the sweet potatoes and some people are like, oh, I don't need sweet potatoes. I want mashed potatoes. Yep.
Evan Owens: Some of us. Some
James Marland: I'm good with food analogies.
Evan Owens: Me too. No kidding. Except for mine usually involve cake and they're not analogies. I'm actually eating cake. But I say all that to say that when you're a church the way it would work is really simple. That leader would reach out to one of our expansion coordinators.
That person would have a conversation about, Hey, here's what's expected. The first step would be they identify a team of. To other people [00:23:00] that they want to create a team of two or three leaders who are gonna facilitate, reboot. We don't want it to just be one person by themselves. We want a small team of people who can do it with different skill sets.
If it's gonna be a multi, if it's gonna be a a male and female group, we wanna blend in that leadership team as well. And we help you build your team, and then at that point you get your leader pass. And then from there we really give you, think of it like a franchise. We're giving you everything you need, your outreach materials, your marketing, your branding, your your training, your curriculum, your follow up, your measurables in terms of how you're gonna measure the success of your group.
Everything is included. And then we have an online portal called the Leader Hub that's, a leader's only tool that gives you a lot of that as well. So my point is that at that point they typically, it takes eight weeks. So from the time you call and you're ready to get going, eight weeks from now, you could be starting a reboot program making a difference in the life of people who honestly might be waiting on you to step into your calling they're calling in their life to become who God's called them to be.
Can't be unleashed until. [00:24:00] You've stepped into your calling to lead them into a reboot program. And that's why I do what I do. It's 'cause my passion is to, my personal mission in life is to release people to the callings that God has for them. That they've been deceived by trauma into not fulfilling and not stepping into.
And that's why I get up every morning. And there's somebody right now in the church that you go to that they can't step into their calling until a reboot group crosses their path or until they go through trauma healing through some other method. Once they do, they're gonna be like, dang, I spent years letting this experience hold me back. And that's awesome. That's what it's about. You know
James Marland: Thank you so much for sharing your heart and your passion. It's really inspiring and it's,
Evan Owens: Thank you for listening, genuinely. Thank you.
James Marland: yeah. Yeah, I can definitely see where this could work very well with some other ministries. That need this type of specialization, especially if you're bringing in people who are [00:25:00] not you know, grew up in the tr people who grew up in the church also have trauma, but
Evan Owens: Oh, yeah.
James Marland: yeah,
Evan Owens: Yeah. Like
James Marland: be relationship betrayal, church hurt
Evan Owens: pastors. How many
James Marland: pastors.
Yeah.
Evan Owens: trauma and betrayal and, yeah.
James Marland: Ugh. Gut wrenching. Yeah.
Evan Owens: Therapists, how many therapists have secondary traumas and things that they've, you know what I mean? It's just so many groups of people that I feel like we can serve, but we don't serve them. It's, again, reboot's kind of overrated. It's really the person who's that local leader, like they're the face of reboot. It's not me or Jenny or Brian on our team that's like Mr. And Mrs.
Reboot. Like, it's not about our, we're not trying to become like Christian influencers. We want to like equip people in these local. Communities who are already in a place of influence and just give 'em the tools to influence easier and better. You know what I mean?
James Marland: Yeah. And it just, it's like a multiplication ministry because you know, your pastor your whoever is at the top can only help so many people.
Evan Owens: many.
James Marland: They're not in,
Evan Owens: they need,
James Marland: they're [00:26:00] not availability or attention or energy. Like there's a limit. Like all of us have limits. So how do you.
Expand, you know, how do you help more people? The peer led group is a perfect solution. I wanna talk to the first the the listener to the show. If you, if this is if you've been inspired like me, you
Evan Owens: you
James Marland: Evan was talking, you know, what are you gonna do with that?
Evan Owens: that,
James Marland: know, what are you gonna do?
Are you just gonna be like, oh, this is nice to listen to? Or are you going to. Pick up the phone and see if there, or go to the website and see if there's something, if there is the door you should step through. So I wanted to give you Evan, just a moment to, to just, if somebody is inspired to
Evan Owens: to like,
James Marland: more, where can they find out more about what you do, your ministry and how to get involved.
Evan Owens: Yeah. Yeah. Everybody, reboot recovery.com is where you're gonna go. But also if you really wanna learn more about starting a [00:27:00] group, and you'll go there and you'll click on lead.
It's literally says, lead, join, give, or something like that. Like you can't get lost on our websites. Pretty straightforward. And we're in all 50 states. We're actually up to I don't know, over 600 locations now, which is incredible. We had a huge growth spurt in the last six months of the year, last year. A lot of different backgrounds where reboots working in entrepreneurship hubs, working in prisons, working in, working in, you know, whatever. So you could be a person that can bring us to that. And if you wanna go to our website, do that. You can fill out a form, talk to one of our team, or if you wanna just reach out to me personally and I will connect you with the right person.
It's just Evan EVA [email protected]. And I would love nothing more than just to connect with you and help you step into maybe something that would be the greatest adventure of your life. And if you've been leading bible studies and feeling a little dry in that and you want to reach outside the walls of the church and maybe reach people who are. In a desperate place and you want to look evil in the eye and say, you know, hey, you're not gonna win in this scenario because a saint is here, then reboot's for you. And we want to [00:28:00] equip you to be able to do that and to how to build a team. And so reach out to me, Evan, at reboot recovery.com, EBA n and I'll get you connected.
James Marland: Beautiful. Evan, thank you so much for being on the show. Very inspiring. I love
Evan Owens: your
James Marland: process and your survey. Heart and that you just wanna help people re recover. So thank you so much for being on the show and your ministry.
Evan Owens: Hey, thank you for having me. I'll see you tomorrow. We'll do it again tomorrow.
James Marland: Okay. Yeah. I'll put it in the books. All right. All right, listeners, don't just sit there, go put your mission in motion. We'll see you next time. β
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You don't have an email? Head over to coursecreationstudio.com, get the free Unpause Playbook. You'll be signed up for the newsletters, and you'll get the offer from Humor Speaks. I've been... I've worked with Ray for, like, the last two years. I read his stuff on LinkedIn, and I'm really thrilled that he's offering this to the audience.
if this episode encouraged you, if you've decided that you wanna [00:30:00] take one step forward, don't just listen. Take that one step, whether it's with me, with the Unpause Playbook, or some other coach. You owe it to yourself. You owe it to the people you're serving. You owe it to the people whose lives you can change and make better to walk through.
What door is opening in front of you, and what would it look, look like to just walk through it? Thanks for listening. Thanks for being builders. Now, don't just sit there. Go put your mission in motion. We'll see you next time.
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