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Garrett Bosse: we're gonna make mistakes. And so for us we've had to do a lot of iterations, a lot of going back and forth. we have a phrase of we wanna fail fast so you can succeed quicker. be ready for that idea to flop when you, when you fail, you end up succeeding. Look at it like Thomas Edison, right? All the great inventors. Like they didn't get it right the first time, but we remember the one they did get right. We're very thankful for that.
Right.
James Marland: here's the reality of going outside your comfort zone and developing a new product. You're gonna fail. Not because there's anything wrong with you or anything wrong with the product, but building something new, building something outside your comfort zone always comes with friction. It always comes with learning something new.
Your ideas that you [00:01:00] have, some of some of them are gonna land and some will not. Some are not going to be perfect the first time you try them, they're just not gonna work out We can get stuck thinking when we are failing, when things aren't working out and it's harder than we thought it should be, that we think, well, am I even doing the right thing?
Am I even on the right path? The real problem though is people don't say they're going to quit. They just pause. They hit a bottleneck and then never come back to their, their dream, their mission, their vision. So today I wanna introduce to you someone who's lived this process in real time. Garrett is the founder of Outward Expressions Art Ministry.
This is a pretty cool product where it's a unique hands-on experience that helps people slow down, process their thoughts, emotions, and feelings, and [00:02:00] then reconnect through a creative experience, an art experience. the, this, this episode is, is almost like two separate episodes.
One is his faith story, his life story, and how God directed him and his wife to make this product for other people. And then it's the nitty gritty, nuts and bolts. How do you bring to life a product that needs some iteration, that there's some failure, there's some doubt, and how do you keep moving forward?
It's, it's, uh, both sides are inspirational, but it's almost like it's two different episodes. So in this conversation, we're gonna unpack what it really looks like to build something from scratch. The iteration, the feedback, the moments of. Where, where people called his baby ugly and, uh, how he learned to fail and fail fast to move forward.
And these lessons are inspirational for all of us creators. so if you've ever [00:03:00] felt stuck between the idea in it and the execution, or you've paused longer than you meant to, this one's going to meet you right where you're at. And if you want help to unpause, I have the Unpause Playbook.
It's a free [email protected] slash unpause. You'll rediscover your mission and vision, and you'll also be able to write down your next small step that gives you momentum to keep going. Now, let's listen to Garrett and Outward Expressions Ministries.
Hello and welcome back to The Scaling Therapist Podcast. I'm your host, James Marlin. This is where this is the show where I help you turn your wisdom into income. Today I am here with Garrett Bossi. He is the founder and president of outward Expressions Art Ministries, Inc. Alabama and I met him and his crew at the [00:04:00] a CC, American Associate of Christian Counselors this year. And it was it was a pretty cool display for what he does and how he helps people serve have better relationships. So that, I wanted to have him on the show and say, tell us a little bit about his unique offering. Garrett, welcome to the scaling therapist.
Garrett Bosse: Thanks. Thanks for having me, James. Appreciate it.
James Marland: Yeah, your booth was a lot different than some of the other ones where they were offering books or workbooks or seminars. Or workshops. But yours was actually an experimental art box and I wanted to know more about it. Can you tell me what is outward expressions and what do you offer?
Garrett Bosse: Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you first for stopping by our booth. That was. That was the first time that we had attended the A CC and absolutely, absolutely loved it. Yeah, in a nutshell, so we're an art ministry that helps people process life through art. So we do that, [00:05:00] like you said, through.
A creative experience that people can have shipped directly to them with all supplies needed. And the goal of each of our kits are to help people to reflect on things in their life through the lens of scripture they get to express outwardly, which is where outward expressions comes from. Through abstract art. That's the outward expression. And then they're connecting. So first and foremost, connecting to Jesus. We believe that the truth sets people free, and so that's what we wanna point people to. But connecting with themselves and connecting with others around them. And the big the big reason that we focus on the connection part is, we live in a world that's fallen and we're constantly picking up things spiritually and not always putting them down. And so that affects how we connect with our Heavenly Father, but then also with others. And that coupled with busyness is one of the biggest tactics that we feel. Satan.
If he can keep you [00:06:00] distracted and busy long enough, then you're not gonna really understand who you are. And therefore you're not gonna be able to really assess and process certain events in your life. And so I use an example of a boy that grows up not believing that he's smart enough, he's good enough.
As an adult in his work performance somebody questions his efforts, right? Why'd you do this? He becomes emotionally charged because they've just prodded and poked at something deep within him, his, that he hasn't dealt with. It's an insecurity, right? And so our big mission of bringing people to the truth.
And doing it in a way that is safe and comfortable. And then I'll talk more on the safe part of that, but doing a way that's a little bit different than traditional ways of doing things right. Allows you to now move past and allow the Holy Spirit, I should say, to speak to that area of that insecurity of I don't feel like I'm good [00:07:00] enough.
What does scripture say about that? You know what? And you get to abstractly depict your view of yourself on a canvas, and then you get to read in scripturally, this is how your Heavenly Father sees you depict that. And so as a result, you get to come away laying some things down, but also picking up things on truth that ultimately allow you to connect to your heavenly father better and then also to others.
So instead of being. Distracted by a situation of somebody questioning your work efforts, right? You in, in return get to focus on ministering to that person and being the hands of feet of Jesus for them. So
James Marland: Yeah. So some of the things you were saying there, there's quite a few. One is slowing down.
Garrett Bosse: yes.
James Marland: The life is so busy. You're moving from thing activity to activity, and when you're not moving from activity to activity, you fill it up with distraction.
Garrett Bosse: Absolutely. Yeah,
James Marland: movies, video [00:08:00] games, board games and even good stuff.
Like
Garrett Bosse: sure.
James Marland: work, serving other people. There's, you're not slowing down long enough to. at what's you're processing, what's internal. I dunno if you've ever driven a, a
Garrett Bosse: I.
James Marland: and then walked a road and like the difference is striking. Like you
Garrett Bosse: Sure.
James Marland: so many more details
Garrett Bosse: Absolutely.
James Marland: it rather than you're doing it.
So it sounds like the kit helps people slow down and look at some of what's going on. Is that right?
Garrett Bosse: No, that that's exactly right. And that Really focused in on, okay, creating an experience that helps remove distractions. And we spent a lot of time in the structure, the architecture, a lot of revisions going through things. It acts kind of as a backstory the initial format of it, I'm an engineer, which again, if that doesn't say something that an engineer is writing about feelings and emotions.
Okay. That [00:09:00] must be there. Maybe there's a God thing in there, but and I love it, but God's used that part to help in the structure to help remove distractions. That's a big thing that we've combed through our validation periods that we had with people coming into our house and more or less seeing, okay, how does this work?
Really scrubbed out and worked through polishing to where it's from the start to the end. Logistics have been thought through so that people can really have a one-on-one time with Jesus and kind of escape the world that the busyness and whatnot. And I will say on the flip side of that we found that a lot of people, it's hard for them.
I should say it this way, Satan knows. There's scripture behind things. And so he makes it even more harder for people that have purchased a kit for them to sit down and do it. And that, that's actually one of the biggest challenges we find with people of them actually making time to sit down.
And that's, I'm guilty [00:10:00] of that too, right? That I get busy and things that I need to do. I don't do, I sound like Paul, right? I need to do this, but I don't. But yeah.
James Marland: So then the other thing, it sounds like you were describing some of the insides of the kit like they write, they do some sort of art about what they feel like they themselves are,
Garrett Bosse: Sure.
James Marland: they look at like their identity that that God says they are. And then there's some comparison.
Is that right?
Garrett Bosse: Sure. So yeah, so some more the behind the scenes of the kits themselves. Each we have different, we call 'em sessions, but different kits that have different themes. So right now we have one that's an individual kit, so anybody can do it. We recommend later, middle school and above just because of being able to comprehend things and work through things.
And we also have a marriage one, and we're currently working on an individual kit and plans to do many more if the Lord would allow. But specifically with the individual and the marriage, [00:11:00] both of them are gonna walk through specific themes tied to that. Kit, right? So marriage is gonna focus on things in the marriage, right?
So what my favorite one about the marriage one is, okay, you get to come together in a safe space and talk about the things that stress you outta marriage, right? So normally husband comes home from work and the wife's at home with the kids. Work was bad for the husband. The house is a mess when he comes home and.
Blows up as far as like, well I have this and this, and it's like, what do you mean? Like, I didn't know when you're gonna be home. Like it, we help in creating a safe space to where, and this is actually one of the steps what is something that stresses you out in your marriage? And so individually, husband gets to go and do his time, wife goes and does her time, and then they come together and get to, to share.
Husband leading honey, what's something that stresses you out in our marriage? And she can share it drives me nuts when you leave [00:12:00] your socks on the floor and he can go I had no idea. allowing space for. Good communication with the Lord first and foremost for him to speak into our lives based on things.
And again, the individual one talks about a lot of identity. Okay how do you view yourself and then how does God view you? Tying back to scripture for things. And then the neat part is that sometimes. Especially guys, not always guys, but we can ask someone. How are you doing?
I'm fine. I'm good.
James Marland: Oh
Garrett Bosse: Right, right.
James Marland: before.
Garrett Bosse: Oh yeah. I'm guilty of it too. And the neat part about like art, it's not about the art's, the vehicle, that one is fun. And it allows you to visually see. What's going on in your life? And that, that was something. Kind of where the ministry started was it was actually never meant to be a ministry.
It, it was a date night that God had laid on my heart [00:13:00] to help my wife and I process a a miscarriage that we had. that, that hard part in our life. We were talking, we were communicating, but we weren't connecting really. And so the Lord again just laid the, this idea of actions painted out, displayed on a canvas through the lens of scripture. my wife and I, we both participated in it and it and it moved me.
And that's something that if it's a testament, it's not about the words in it. It was the scriptures that I read that really touched my heart and my wife's. And when we both were done and we got to see two different canvases, same prompts. The way that we both read them and interpreted them.
And that's the neat part about it, is that we're not, this isn't a paint by line or you're not painting a picture. It's abstract. So you're gonna take a red color that we line out for this step [00:14:00] and we'll give a guidance on, you're gonna do three strokes for this one wherever you want.
So same prompts. And that's that I love that part about the ministry is that you get to look at someone's canvas, same prompt. Completely different. And that was really, that really impacted both of us that we could each see how we were both went through the same experience but processing it very much differently.
James Marland: Wow. That's a, that's an analogy for marriage.
Garrett Bosse: oh yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
James Marland: experience, but processing it so differently and it comes out
Garrett Bosse: Yes.
James Marland: you, you see it or talk about it or communicate about it. Like, why are they acting that way? Or
Garrett Bosse: Yes.
James Marland: that
Garrett Bosse: Same thing in parenting, right?
James Marland: yeah, and just to have the shared experience and to compare it sounds very beneficial. Especially it sounds like you guys were going through some really difficult things that were difficult to talk about, which was probably many marriages, but even the marriages that are, [00:15:00] quote unquote good
Garrett Bosse: Yeah.
James Marland: there's still so much to, to. To mind from a shared experience like that to understand each other.
Garrett Bosse: Yes. No e exactly. And that was the big eyeopener for me is I knew it was hard, but I didn't, being able to look at her canvas it really hit me of no that, it's hitting her a lot harder than I thought.
Not just the hard parts in life. There's also the goodness of God.
And that was the big thing, is we saw that too. And that and I'll share this side note, this is I wouldn't feel I'd be doing, I would not be doing it justice without sharing this. So, uh, We have three kids right now, one on the way hand for each of our children before they're ever born. We pray that they would come to saving faith of Jesus Christ.
And that they would live a life of impact pointing to him. we would, I wouldn't be here had we not gone through that. [00:16:00] And, I know there may be people listening right now that are experiencing a hardship and I guess as a side note, God sees you there and our God is in, in, in the works of redeeming and restoring and he never wastes anything.
And that's something that God has answered. My prayer, our prayer, my wife and our prayer of that, that lives are being changed as a re result of our daughter faith. Sorry. It still still gets me emotional about that, but that, that's why I'm here. And that, that's our goal, is that what we were able to experience that night, the date night, and that was when we got done.
My wife famous last words was I think this is something other people could benefit from. And so we. We then walked through I walked through some time of doubting God guys aren't gonna do this feeling art. No. And God just he put people in my life to, to help show [00:17:00] that it's not about what people think.
What am I calling you to do, Garrett? And, one of, one of the individuals that's on our team now I gotta share some credit 'cause he helped get me set up for this thing. So Seth, shout out to you. But he was a part of a initial validation group. We had, it was supposed to be seven college students, ended up being 17 co-ed students in our house.
And Seth was one of those that when we got done I said, okay, what do you think? And his words were, I don't paint, but I would do this again. And that the Lord is just over and over confirmed to the point where he said, look, are you gonna get on board with this and run my ministry?
If not, get out of the way. And so that's what I'm here doing. A mechanical engineer. So that's, I'm not a therapist. I'm not a counselor. Although I do love psychology. If I were to go back to school, that's what I would do. But [00:18:00] I don't need to. And there's individuals like yourself and so many others that are doing a phenomenal job right now.
Pushing back the darkness in the mental health area. And that's really our biggest desire is to be a resource and a tool in the hands of you all and pushing away that darkness.
James Marland: Yeah. That's a great story. And just how you've been led along the way to continue to make this and some of feedback that you've been given and the help that it's doing for people. It's a good, it's a great story. It it. So there were three things we were talking about how, what others might be able to learn from your experience.
Garrett Bosse: Sure.
James Marland: these things don't just drop out of the sky and they're perfect. It's lots of work, lots of
Garrett Bosse: Lots of work.
James Marland: of tears maybe. Or
Garrett Bosse: yes.
James Marland: be doing this type of stuff.
Garrett Bosse: Oh,
James Marland: And one of the things you mentioned as you, you've talked about a little bit is you did some testing and planning and like mapping out the user experience. I think everybody who's creating a product or a course or a workshop or any, anything, or even just [00:19:00] your therapy session, you want a great user experience. So what were some of the challenges with the user experience for you, and what did you adapt or change, or what did you learn?
Garrett Bosse: Sure. One of the neat things of where God is used. My background as an engineer is the structure and the order for things. And that early on when we we first started engineering wise, it was Excel sheets. People were going through aesthetically not pleasing. And so that was something that how do we navigate going from.
An idea to a product right there, those, that there's a gap in between there that if not navigated in a organized way, is gonna cost you more time and stress. And we, as a team, our creative team, kind of, we struggled for a little bit as far as what, how do I convey that idea and what we're wanting.
The digital form. 'cause the initial platform that we had was all paper. [00:20:00] And so we decided let's transition to more digital online to help with cost the user interface and whatnot. one of the, one of the big things that really helped us and I guess I would encourage others, is to do a flow chart.
Of start to finish, what are you, where are you starting at and where do you wanna take your And the ins and outs of each of those things. So for example the user logs in with a password. I want them to go to the main homepage, right? So we worked through that and that was the easiest way of, we just made a flow chart to go through. We start here, we end here. And that really helped the team as far as a visual to be able to see.
Oh, okay. Now I can see. So our web developer was able to really work on okay, here's the idea that I had in my head of where we want to go. Can we do that from a software setup [00:21:00] standpoint? And so it really helped us in being able to communicate from that standpoint. I also wanna say that it really helped to streamline the user experience.
Being able to go through it and visually put ourselves in the shoes. And again, nobody wants to fill out a hundred, fill in the blank form that when you enter in one incorrect and you click submit and it, you gotta fill it all in again.
James Marland: Yeah.
Garrett Bosse: That really you're able to look through those things when mapping and planning things out.
Right.
James Marland: No, I like that. And I love have a starting point, have an ending point and fill the things in the middle. 'cause there's such a thing like when you're making stuff scope creep
Garrett Bosse: Yes.
James Marland: blah bloat and adding stuff.
Garrett Bosse: Oh man.
James Marland: We're talking about marriage, but what if we talk about their parents,
Garrett Bosse: yeah. No,
James Marland: oh, that's, we gotta add that.
And so then it add, and then instead of being an experience about like creating a moment for a couple, it's like something else.
Garrett Bosse: Exactly. Yes.[00:22:00]
James Marland: To begin with, to, to start a project, not knowing exactly where the end is, and then you just get so distracted. I thought that was a great, just a great insight onto how to get things done. the part of the process is we love to add stuff and
Garrett Bosse: Yes.
James Marland: expert in things, we love to add more and more stuff. 'cause I gotta know this and this, and I wanna explain the background around this. I do this, I love analytics and research and numbers, and
Garrett Bosse: Yeah,
James Marland: guy.
Why are we doing this? Why are we doing
Garrett Bosse: sure,
James Marland: And so I try to jam that into all my content and I end up with, things that are just too big. people who are fus get frustrated easier. They get lost. They're just like I don't have time for this, and they do something else. So that mapping the experience is great. I'm gonna move to the next one, is a
Garrett Bosse: sure. I.
James Marland: mistakes. You we talked about this a little bit, where the sometimes entrepreneurs dream are unicorn. They're like, everything's gonna work out [00:23:00] and it's gonna go perfectly the first time. And. It'll sell. It'll sell right away
Garrett Bosse: Yep.
James Marland: adjustment. What do you mean when you said one of the lessons you learned was plan for mistakes? What do you mean by that?
Garrett Bosse: So I, I will use a term that is used in the engineering realm a lot. And it's something that a early colleague of mine showed with me, and I've kind of applied it to all things in life, but it's, don't be offended when someone says your baby's ugly. And that is something that we tend to forget that.
And this is something in general, like I've never been this far in my life before, right? And I just technically, I just passed that time in life, right? I'm not a new point in my life, right? Therefore, I'm not gonna do something correct. And we put this expectation on ourselves of oh, this, this is gonna solve the world's problems.
This is gonna do this and that. [00:24:00] When we step back, like we're human and we're gonna make mistakes. And so for us we've had to do a lot of iterations, a lot of going back and forth. we have a phrase of we wanna fail fast so you can succeed quicker.
And what that means is that if you can, be ready for that idea to flop and it again, when you fail, you end up succeeding. Look at it like Thomas Edison, right? All the great inventors. Like they didn't get it right the first time, but we remember the one they did get right. We're very thankful for that.
But it's I will say feedback is a huge thing. That is something of being able to get feedback from people and trusted individuals that can tell you to you straight Hey, that I am confused by this. And a personal example for us is we ended up on, on one of our the part of the course, we had a button [00:25:00] that, a digital button that.
Was hard to identify. And so we got feedback that Hey, I didn't know where to go. And so it's like that, that again goes back to the planning and the overview that it, that had an effect on somebody's experience. And so we, instead of being offended of why can't you just find the button, it's right there.
That, that goes on the side of sometimes it's good to just step away. To come back and with fresh eyes look at it. And also like I said, expect someone to say your baby's ugly. 'cause if you're expecting that and you get the alternative things can only go up from there. But it user experience, feedback in any form should, for me is one of those.
If you hear it enough, that's probably something you need to address. Doesn't mean that you need to address everything, but everything should definitely be taken into consideration. 'Cause if one person [00:26:00] experienced it, somebody else probably has to. And so revising and editing if you're not willing to do that and revamp things, then it's gonna be hard.
James Marland: It reminds me I think I read it in like my first experience was the startup J curve where they talk about build, measure, learn. I
If that's part of, but it's it's the process of failing fast. You build the minimum viable product,
Garrett Bosse: Yes.
James Marland: it. Measure, you know, get the feedback, all the things you were talking about, and then learn.
And if that's your process and you see yourself as a little experimenter or a scientist running a process, not going to get offended, as you said when somebody says, this isn't working or doesn't, I don't like this.
Garrett Bosse: Yeah.
James Marland: that's the process. That is
Garrett Bosse: Yep.
James Marland: are doing.
You're building it, you're measuring what happens,
From it, and then you do it again. And the faster you can do that process, the quicker you [00:27:00] learn. You wouldn't have learned those things if you didn't release it.
Garrett Bosse: Absolutely.
James Marland: This will go right into our last part, which is perfectionism is your worst enemy.
If you
Garrett Bosse: Yes.
James Marland: before you launched it, you wouldn't have launched it or you would launch it like 10 years from now. And the opportunity would be gone or some, it just would it wouldn't work like 10 years
Garrett Bosse: Yeah,
James Marland: to learn the lessons you learned in like a year.
Like it's
Garrett Bosse: sure.
James Marland: anyways, so when you say perfectionist can be your worst enemy, can you explain that a little bit? What was that lesson for
Garrett Bosse: Sure. And once again I've. Really seeing the Lord using the engineering background that I have in this. And that that same thing applies for rapid prototyping of things. And we have a phrase like, you gotta hit a 80% complete. If you hit a hundred percent, you're either gonna go over budget or you're gonna miss your audience.
And so we've really, and I say we, I have really had to wrestle with at a certain point you can nitpick something to [00:28:00] death. And it ends up driving you nuts. And at some point you've gotta trust that. Okay. And I'll caveat that doesn't mean just throw something together and get it out there.
We have a peer review group that, that we send things through to help capture some. Any of those like misspellings or Hey, did you really mean to say this type of thing. So we got an internal review board that we send things through. But then after that, it's one of those, we gotta get it out there.
'Cause if we don't get it out there your product's not out there, right? Like at the end of the day
James Marland: nothing.
Garrett Bosse: You're not gonna learn anything. And so that it is kind of that. At some point, you gotta take a leap of faith that you've done what you can with the time that you've allotted. And I think some of it also comes down to as far as a for me, as an an executive director, and [00:29:00] as you get bigger, you've got to take some of those responsibilities that you've got and put 'em on your team.
And at a certain point. You've gotta say, you know what, I could go back through and double, triple check, but you gotta trust your team. That's a big thing of who's on your team matters. That's another thing that I would a side note for things of getting a good team to work with that you can have hard open conversations with.
That's been, that has been a challenge for my wife and I being married that. We've had to have some communication as far as like, all right, like we need some, we need a break from outward expressions to be able to do family stuff. So having that dynamic tied into at some point you're not gonna have time to make it perfect.
And if you are, what else are you gonna sacrifice in your life? As a result to make that thing perfect. And is it worth [00:30:00] it? That's been what I've had to wrestle with and I got some really good advice from someone that you're not gonna get any more time in the day, so you gotta plan around what are you going to sacrifice time away from in order to make time to do this other thing?
And so that again kind of ties back into. If you're reaching the point where you're like, Ugh, I could do more, but we're at a point that it conveys what we need it's been reviewed and it works. That's probably the good time to pull the trigger. If you've got to the point where you're like, it's perfect, you're gonna be offended that your baby's ugly.
So it, it is kind of, that kind of all goes hand in hand with things. And again, I'm not an expert. I'm, I am. I'm learning this as I go with things, and that's something that I'm all ears for wisdom. And that, I think that's another thing, being open to feedback from other people that have done this [00:31:00] and being willing to, for them to speak into what you're doing.
That that's another thing that I would suggest and I'm actively doing is seeking out. Other expertise and wisdom from people that, that are further along in this journey than I am.
James Marland: Great. That's that's wise advice. As you were saying it, two phrases came to mind.
Is better than perfect
Garrett Bosse: Yes.
James Marland: to learn that, ' cause
Garrett Bosse: I like that.
James Marland: I want it, you know, I was, do an image management, you know, I wanna make sure it looks right. And,
Garrett Bosse: Sure. I.
James Marland: The, kept me from launching things.
And then the other thing is a yes. Yes to this means a no to something else. So you're
Garrett Bosse: Yep.
James Marland: the time constraints. The energy constraints, the attention constraints. You might be the super entrepreneur, super therapist, super creator, but there you, there's a limit.
Garrett Bosse: Yeah.
James Marland: there, there's a, you say yes to this.
That means you have to say no to other things and it better
Garrett Bosse: Yeah,
James Marland: important
Garrett Bosse: you're right.
James Marland: something you can't drop.
Garrett Bosse: No,
James Marland: this has
Garrett Bosse: absolutely.
James Marland: wonderful [00:32:00] experience. I'm really excited to see where this ministry goes and how it can support people and create connections. Can you let the audience know where they can find you and what they can do to connect with you?
Garrett Bosse: Sure. So we are on Facebook, on Instagram. People can find us through our website. So that's oe ministries.org. That's really the best place to, to find information. We'd love for people to follow us. Get plugged in for a newsletter and whatnot. Currently if individuals would like, we have the individual kit and the marriage kit available to order, and again, that comes directly to you.
So if you're a professional artist. Great. If you've never painted a day in your life, great. We got you both covered. We walked through in the kit, everything that people need again to help remove some of those, the logistics of things. Yeah, the website again, that's oe ministries.org.
James Marland: Wonderful. Garrett,
Garrett Bosse: Yeah,
James Marland: been a great conversation. Thank you so much for being on the show.
Garrett Bosse: absolutely. Thanks for having [00:33:00] me.
James Marland: Listeners if you're looking for something to do, to spark some conversation, generate some conversation, maybe some alternative date night or maybe even something to do with a group of people check it out.
OE Ministries with an s and uh, get connecting with people today. we'll talk to you next week. This is, uh, James Marlin for a Scaling Therapist podcast. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 2: So here's what Garrett's story reminds us of. You don't have to get it right the first time. In fact, you probably won't get it right the first time. You refine it, you test it, you learn. Sometimes you're gonna hit a bottleneck and you pause along the way. But that pause doesn't mean you're done and you're failure.
It just means you're in process. Look for, look at that. Pause as part of the process of being successful. The more times you fail, the closer you are to [00:34:00] finding that one success that you need. So if you've been sitting on your idea, second, guessing your next step, pausing longer than you think you should, or just waiting until you feel perfect.
This is a sign. Take this as a sign. You don't have to be perfect. Take one small step forward. Not a perfect step, just some momentum. And if you want a little help getting there along the way and getting your momentum back, head out. Head over to course creation studio.com/unpause for the unpause Playbook.
It's gonna help you reconnect with your mission and vision and give you a way to start moving forward Before we wrap up, I wanna say a quick thank you and a shout out to our pro-level sponsors [email protected]. They are ARC Integrated, the CRM Guest Compliance Consulting, LLC.
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You're ready to start again. What's one thing that you made a mistake, you had a failure in quotes, and youre gonna learn from it. Thanks for being here. I'll see you next time.
